January 15, 2004 — Aladdin Resort and Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada Virus/Microbial Subcommittee

January 15, 2004 — Aladdin Resort and Casino, Las Vegas, Nevada Virus/Microbial Subcommittee



Aladdin Hotel and Casino

Las Vegas, Neveda

Thursday, January 15, 2004

10:00 a.m. – 11:30 a.m.


I. Call Meeting to Order

The meeting was called to order by the Chairman, Tom Condon, DS Waters, who announced the presence of a quorum. Those present were:


Subcommittee Chair

Tom Condon, DS Waters


Subcommittee Members:

Philippe Caradec, Great Brands of Europe

Donna Cirolia, CCDA Waters

Vincent Ducasse, Danone Water WorldWide

Stephen Edberg, Ph.D., Yale University School of Medicine

Kent Kise, DW Waters

Al Lear, Wissahickon Spring Water Company

Lisa Madsen, Pall Corporation

Kevin Mathews, Nestle Waters North America

Tom O’Brien, Cuno, Inc.

Jo Russell-Price, Mountain Valley Spring Co.


IBWA Staff:

Kim Green, IBWA


II. Approval of Minutes

It was MOVED and SECONDED to approve the minutes of the October 29, 2003, Virus/Microbial Subcommittee meeting. Subcommittee members were provided with copies of the 2004 IBWA roster for the IBWA Virus/Microbial Subcommittee.


III. Update on Literature Search for Virus/Microbial Studies

Kim Green reported that the monthly literature searches for scientific papers on viruses/microbes in bottled and drinking water are continuing and that, as of the meeting, three months of reporting had been completed. Subcommittee members and attendees were provided with a copy of the most recent report, November. Ms. Green also reported that the December literature report would be sent out to subcommittee members later in January and that if there are any other IBWA members who would like to be on the e-mail distribution for the monthly reports to let her know.


IV. Response to Article, “The Microbiology of Bottled Water,” in the Clinical Microbiology Newsletter (March 15, 2003 issue)

Steve Edberg reported that in December 2003 he prepared and submitted a Letter to the Editor of the Clinical Microbial Newsletter commenting on the March 2003 article by Fred Rosenberg (“The Microbiology of Bottled Water”). Dr. Edberg also reported that he had not yet heard on whether his letter would be published, but would check on the status.


V. Update on Identification of Virus Expert

Kim Green presented an updated list of expert candidates (along with desired qualifications) who had been considered for possible retention as a virus expert to work with the Subcommittee on virus issues. Ms. Green reported that Dr. Mortezza Abbaszadegan had been interviewed by Chairman Condon and Subcommittee member Steve Edberg and that, based on the committee previous recommendation, was retained by IBWA to provide consulting expertise on viral issues.

Ms. Green also reported that, as scoped by Steve Edberg, Dr. Abbaszadegan had been given his first assignment which consists of preparing a summary (likely in a table format) of viruses/pathogens of current interest in drinking water. This summary will contain information on indicators, methodologies of detection, strengths/weaknesses, important references, and Dr. Abbaszadegan’s viewpoint/comments on the pathogen. Ms. Green reported that the fee to be paid to Dr. Abbaszadegan for this assignment will be $2,000 and that he will provide the Subcommittee with a draft of the document by February 13.

The Subcommittee discussed having Dr. Abbaszadegan conduct a review of the paper “Norwalk-Like Virus Sequences in Mineral Waters: One-Year Monitoring of Three Brands” written by Christian Beuret et al. (and published April 2002 in Applied and Environmental Microbiology). Chairman Condon asked Kim Green to scope this assignment with Dr. Abbaszadegan with the thinking that the review would cost about $1,000.


VI. Update on EPA’s Candidate Contaminant List (CCL) & Virus Methodologies

The Subcommittee discussed continued efforts to monitor the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) activity on virus and microbial issues, specifically the 10 microbiological contaminants listed on EPA’s CCL. Chairman Condon informed the Subcommittee that he is developing a spreadsheet that reviews and summarizes information on the CCL microbes, specifically whether they are waterborne, the illnesses they are associated with, their methods of detection, and their priority for research/regulation by EPA. Once completed, Chairman Condon will send it out to Subcommittee member for their review and comment. Chairman Condon commented that this summary can be used for setting priorities for the Subcommittee’s focus.

Kim Green reported that, as assigned at the Chicago meeting, she had called Christon Hurst at EPA’s NRMRL to establish contact and to obtain general information on current viral detection methodologies. Mr. Hurst did not return the call. Subcommittee members instructed Ms. Green to continue to try and establish contact. Subcommittee members also instructed Ms. Green to establish contact with Dr. Paul Berger in EPA’s Office of Ground Water and Drinking Water.


VII. Use of WHO HPC Proceedings/Contact with CDC

Kim Green reported that, as assigned during the 2003 Chicago meeting, she had checked with Counsel and that, due to “gift rules”, IBWA would not be able to give FDA CFSAN personnel copies of the recently released 2003 WHO book entitled Heterotrophic Plate Counts and Drinking-water Safety (which was developed from the 2002 Expert workshop held in Geneva, Switzerland).

Kim Green reported that, as assigned during the 2003 Chicago meeting, IBWA has added information on and a link on the IBWA website, to the 2002 WHO report “Heterotrophic Plate Count Measurement in Drinking Water Safety Management.” The information appears on the “Bottled Water Facts/Bottled Water Safety section of the IBWA website (http://www.bottledwater.org/public/publicsearch_main.htm).

Subcommittee members discussed continued efforts to develop a relationship with the CDC’s person in charge of bottled water/drinking water. Steve Edberg volunteered to find out who at CDC should be contacted, as he will be attending the International Conference on Emerging Infectious Diseases to be held February 29-March 3, 2004 in Atlanta, Georgia.

Tom O’Brien reported that he had reached a contact of his at CDC and that the contact had expressed concern about interacting with an outside organization (i.e., IBWA). Mr. O’Brien is pursuing getting the names of virus contacts within CDC.

Subcommittee members also discussed the possibility of contacting FDA to find out if there is anyone at CDC that FDA deals with on issues relevant to bottled water. Kim Green will work with Stephen Kay of IBWA to explore this.


VIII. Other Business

Subcommittee members discussed EPA’s Proposed Ground Water Rule and possible implications to bottled water, specifically how FDA might apply the rule to bottled water. The Ground Water Rule specifies the use of disinfection in ground water used in public water systems and was scheduled to have been issued as a final regulation in spring 2003. Kim Green will contact EPA to find out who is currently managing the rule, when it will be issued, and possible changes between the Proposed Rule and the Final Rule. Ms. Green will also locate possible comments that IBWA may have submitted to EPA on the Proposed Rule. Donna Cirolia and Tom Condon will prepare a summary of the Proposed Rule and send it out to IBWA Virus/Microbial Subcommittee members.

Philippe Caradec asked whether it might be possible for IBWA technical members to review Letters to the Editor prepared by the IBWA Communications staff before they are sent out. Kim Green said she would check with the IBWA Communications staff.

On behalf of the DWRF Trustees, Steve Edberg thanked the members of the IBWA Virus/Microbial Subcommittee for reviewing the DWRF Project Proposal submitted by Dr. Jean-Claude Block entitled “Parameters governing the survival of Campylobacter in bottled waters.” Dr. Edberg noted that he had shared with the Trustees the Subcommittee’s view that this particular proposal should not be funded.

Subcommittee members then discussed the possibility of doing a joint research project with the European researchers who have recently been submitting proposals to DWRF. Vincent agreed to inform the European researchers that, while their DWRF proposal was rejected, IBWA and DWRF would like to seek a joint project to conduct with them. Subcommittee members agreed to develop ideas for possible joint proposals and forward them to Kim Green. Vincent Ducasse commented that a joint project on MAC mycobacteria might be a good topic. Steve Edberg and Vincent Ducasse agreed to develop language on a joint research project on MAC that could be submitted to DWRF.

The IBWA Virus/Microbial Subcommittee will next meet in Washington D.C., June 20-24.


IX. Adjournment

There being no other business, a motion was made and seconded for adjournment. The motion passed, and the meeting was adjourned at 11:20 a.m.

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